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paulcnb
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:17 am    Post subject: Replacement of a flapper efi system Reply with quote

Hi,
I posted this as a "response" to another subject heading on the forum but on hindsight, thought I should make it a separate subject item.

I'd like to know what ECU system can be fitted to my 1985 SD1 efi to replace the existing flapper unit. I have been told that the flapper system is getting quite old and leaves a bit to be desired on the performance side of things, but am unsure what I should be looking at as a replacement.
Would something from a later efi Rover such as a Discovery fit the SD1?
Any advice appreciated.

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Paulcnb
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 14CUX Hotwire efi from the Disco Series 1 or late Classic Rangie can be fitted to the SD1 and is a more reliable system. Look at the Stunned Buffalo website for info on this. Better still swap the whole motor with the 14CUX already on it - you get a 3.9, more power and torque.

My Disco is 13 years old now and the only component I've had to replace on the efi system has been the throttle sensor.

Another option is to ditch the efi altogether and fit an Edelbrock 1404.

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paulcnb
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hanks for your advice Traco. I will watch ebay for a 14cux hot wire system from a series 1 Disco or Range Rover. Your motor swap suggestion seems like a good alternative as well - dependent on price and the condition of the replacement motor.

I now have a position to work from.

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D131OVP
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulcnb wrote:
hanks for your advice Traco. I will watch ebay for a 14cux hot wire system from a series 1 Disco or Range Rover. Your motor swap suggestion seems like a good alternative as well - dependent on price and the condition of the replacement motor.

I now have a position to work from.

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Paulcnb


Hi, I have a complete system for sale, PM me if you're interested.

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ramon alban
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: Replacement of a flapper efi system Reply with quote

paulcnb wrote:
I have been told that the flapper system is getting quite old and leaves a bit to be desired on the performance side of things, but am unsure what I should be looking at as a replacement.


Paul, I dont think that your SD1 should be lacking in performance, bearing in mind that many Efi owners are running the same system and they generally go like poo off a shovel, feel like part of the upholstery, saturn Vb moon rocket, all sorts of metafors..

Sure I'm running a Manual TP whereas you have, I believe, an Auto SP.

Some performance is absorbed by the Auto transmission and the different axle may slow things down a bit.

But the big issues are

a] the physical/electrcal condition of your total Efi system and

b] the size of the engine.

If you are staying with the 3.5 then I dont think you would be disappointed if you spend a few days and very little money sorting out your existing Efi system.

The most important vulnerable component in the whole setup is the plenum chamber, it links and connects everything else, it gets really gummed up, the galleries get blocked and it is very prone to air leaks (along with its multiple connecting pipes).

Then be sure that all your components and ignition are in top notch shape, spark plugs are new, filters changed, cylinder compression tests show up good, ign timing correct for the type of fuel you want to use, AFM set up correctly as with the throt pot (maybe even change it if its running weird) and that the fuel pressure is on spec.

Later you may want to fit a rising rate fuel pressure regulator and an uprated ECU, but I reckon you would be so pleased with regaining your lost performance thus far, with todays roads and driving conditions, spending such money would only be gilding the lily.

What do you think?

Every one of my suggestions can be reviewed from my web site, probably starting with the Plenum Chamber and fanning out from there.

Remember, when your car left the factory, it was VERY quick and very powerful.

Its not the system that is old, its probably much more likely to be the condition it is in.

If all the above has been attended to then I aplogise, but your description of a 3.5 Efi lacking power because the system is old , is not one that I recognise.

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paulcnb
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your advice Ramon. I'm not a mechanic (worse luck), rather a tinker of things. I will follow your suggestions and check the plenum chamber. I expected that the car would have fairly good performance - but it is very average at the moment. It just doesn't want to get up and go when you press the loud pedal: although once at highway speed it cruises nicely. I'm not a rev head - rather the opposite actually.
I owned a factory MGB GTV8 a couple of years ago and it was a real performer. I thought the SD1 would also be fairly responsive with the EFI engine. Initially I put it down to the auto transmission which was starting to slip, so I had it rebuilt. But the car is still a bit of s slug. I installed a new set of plugs to no avail, so will now look at the plenum chamber etc in line with your advice.
I also have your EFI Operation Test & Instruction Manual that I will use to guide me through the various procedures.

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ramon alban
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul,

Of late, there have been a rash of folk across the SD1 and older RR, LR forums reporting fuel tank corrosion, missing sock filters, blocked fuel pumps, blocked filters, even the injector basket filters are not immune from crud in the fuel rail.

If this is a random cluster - then so be it, perhaps its due to a lot of laid up SD1's coming back to life (well, nearly Rolling Eyes ), maybe the fuel companies are putting stuff in the fuel to clean the engine and its cleaning the fuel tanks too. Shocked

What ever is the cause the result will be pretty dire for power output, What? What? Worth checking fuel flow and pressure under load. Or just clean out the whole fuel system anyway.

Regarding "getup and go" - my ex VDP Efi used to pull like a train. Late at night before the current rash of speed cameras I did a weekly trip to/from an SD1 local meeting and had to face a pretty steep incline on a dual carriageway.

It would easily drag up to 3 digits on the climb. So your animal is seemingly very bad, for whatever reason!

So where have all your 190 horses gone? Thats the question.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A stock SD1 9.75cr 3.5L should go to 5500rpm without any trouble. From my experience also the plenum chamber can get REALLY full of black goo... also the machining of the older plenums is horrible and leaves room for improvement. So while you have it out you could clean up the neck behind the throttle disc.

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