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Adam Adamant Lonsdale
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:02 am    Post subject: Leaking quite a bit of coolant..... Reply with quote

I'm am praying to the great Banche nightly in hope that this is a simple problem to rectify, but after reading my Haynes manual I am not too sure.

Just today as I returned home after a drive I noticed coolant leaking from the engine. I popped the hood up to discover it is streaming from the hose directly below the filler cap on the expansion tank. Once the engine was off, it is making wonderful gurgling sounds but the leaking stopped. I have checked the radiator and it is not coming from anywhere else. According to the "trouble shooting section" in my Haynes manual it says that this problem is attributed to a blown head gasket. This should not be as the engine was brand new in August and I have always monitered the coolant.

Does anyone have any advice to give to a man on the verge of a heart attack?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Leaking quite a bit of coolant..... Reply with quote

Adam Adamant Lonsdale wrote:
I'm am praying to the great Banche nightly in hope that this is a simple problem to rectify, but after reading my Haynes manual I am not too sure.

Just today as I returned home after a drive I noticed coolant leaking from the engine. I popped the hood up to discover it is streaming from the hose directly below the filler cap on the expansion tank. Once the engine was off, it is making wonderful gurgling sounds but the leaking stopped. I have checked the radiator and it is not coming from anywhere else. According to the "trouble shooting section" in my Haynes manual it says that this problem is attributed to a blown head gasket. This should not be as the engine was brand new in August and I have always monitered the coolant.

Does anyone have any advice to give to a man on the verge of a heart attack?

For some odd reason mine made that also for some time when i was just running it idle... After it had peed all the excess coolant out it stopped doing it and there still was healthy ammount of coolant fluid in the expansion bottle.

Are you sure you didnt over fill it?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Letho,

I checked the expansion tank after the leak and it still had fluid in it, so I took it out again for another drive and when it reached a certain temp it did it again. The last time it would have had the fluid filled or "over filled" would have been my last service and that was at least 2 months ago. You should see the left over pools on the road when I had to stop at the lights and such.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Leaking quite a bit of coolant..... Reply with quote

Adam Adamant Lonsdale wrote:

I noticed coolant leaking from the engine. I popped the hood up to discover it is streaming from the hose directly below the filler cap on the expansion tank. Once the engine was off, it is making wonderful gurgling sounds but the leaking stopped. I have checked the radiator and it is not coming from anywhere else. According to the "trouble shooting section" in my Haynes manual it says that this problem is attributed to a blown head gasket.


Adam,
First check for dirt around the pressure cap rubber seal and the neck of the expansion tank, if that fails to hold pressure then try changing the cap - they do fail.

Either way you must expel all air in the system. I suggest you read this and follow the process to eliminate the possibility of airlocks.

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There is a tip (and a temporary solution) in the link about diagnosing for a minor head gasket leak, but dont panic until you have performed a compression test to confirm such a problem.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ramon,

Thanks again for your helpful tips. I will try and check the filler cap tomorrow morning and see if I can track down a replacement (I've heard you can get them at most auto supply shops). With my track record of problems with this car I would not be suprised if it will be a blown head gasket. Unfortunately this year I suffered a loose piston ring resulting in a tapping engine. The result led to a new engine, which was not an easy task with a very unhelpful mechanic. I since have taken my business elsewhere whom have been tirelessly keeping my little investment running beautifully. So, when it has always come to small sounding problems with the car it always turns into some very complicated and usually expensive job - hence why my panic at a potential blown head gasket.

I am hoping it isn't the head gasket as it just wouldn't make sense that it should happen on a new engine that has been maintained. I will contact my mechanic Monday morning and try and book it in for them to look at if the filler cap test dosen't work.

Sorry to sound like a cynic, but although the idea of owning one of the finest designed and executed automobiles ever to roll out of an assembly line, it does have it's fair share of problems, and living in a country that only seems to think the world should be driving only two types of cars and referring to anything to come out of the Sceptred Isle as "pommy piece of junk - lets charge a fortune to fix!", it doesn't help Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Adamant Lonsdale wrote:

Sorry to sound like a cynic, but although the idea of owning one of the finest designed and executed automobiles ever to roll out of an assembly line, it does have it's fair share of problems, and living in a country that only seems to think the world should be driving only two types of cars and referring to anything to come out of the Sceptred Isle as "pommy piece of junk - lets charge a fortune to fix!", it doesn't help Wink


Adam,
You are not a cynic, you are just worried, but if you think you are, then I will assume the role of preacher even though I am not a man of god.

All these cars and their accessories are all over 20-25 years old and the problems of unreliability are mainly due to lack of routine maintenance and I DONT mean changing oil, filters and plugs.

All new long term owners go thro' the same thing - "Oh Sugar, What have I let myself in for?". So I suggest you try to make up your mind if you want to be a long term owner. If the answer is YES! then you have to consider doing the routine maintenace yourself, because, by and large, mechanics who are prepared to charge the earth are simply an empty money pit, giving you no long term benefit. You need to become the EXPERT on your car as far as your ability allows.

Read all 4 stories of my 1st year of ownership to get a flavour of what you need to do. Don't treat them as a plan, merely an indication of how to go about different things. It is only a record of my own trials and tribulations 1993-94, as a complete car novice. Sure, I am an engineer and know about workshop practice so that helped, but it does not take rocket science to figure out how to remove a door card, ping out a window switch, for example, clean it up, add some vaseline and put it back. Do that 7 times and all the window switches will be fixed for a long time.

Same with relays, pop one out clean its socket connectors, put it back with vaseline, if they give contact trouble in future, and they rarely do, you'll know it is not the sockets. Same with loom connectors, undo one at a time, look for and clean any corrosion, pop it back together, same as above.

Like eating an elephant, do the whole blooming car one bit at a time, familiarise yourself with what each relay or switch does, put a little label on the relays to remind you in future, tie a baby tag to connectors to tell you in future what it feeds, central locking, window lift, lighting etc.

Check all the connections to the rear light clusters and the front lights. See how bits are removed, such as wiper motors, or sunroof motor. When they are off clean them up, connectors too, pop off the little gearbox cover and bung in some grease. Amaze yourself how they seem to work much better afterwards and will stay that way for years.

Just finding all the bits is great fun, and because you decided to be a long term owner it has a long term benifit, by preventing future faults and saving shed loads of money that keeps mechanics in a life of luxury

As far as the engine and mechanics are concerned, buy the workshop manuals, make them your bedtime reading and try to take in what they tell you. Read them twice or thrice. It will sink in.

On a more personal note, since 1993 I have been pouring my experiences into writing about my hobbies. Its an EGO thing, but it has a spin-off. Everthing is being uploaded to my website for the benefit of like-minded hobbyists.

Trawl through it, most of the lengthy stuff is in PDF format for easy access, dowload it to your computer or print it off. Make your self a dossier while its there, nothing lasts forever. Same with other stuff you find on the net or in books.

My site is not a commercial venture - everying on it is free, but it does promote a couple of manuals.

Finally if you decide to be a short term owner, - ignore all of the above.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you removed the bung from the top corner of the radiator and checked the level inside? Sometimes it seems to empty (filling a previous air bubble) and then fails to draw more coolant in from the expansion tank to replace it. The result being the system looks full (the expansion tank is up to the correct mark), but it actually isn't, which could cause all sorts of funny behaviour.

Also, after getting the engine up to temp and switching off, undoing the expansion tank cap 5-10 mins later should result in a release of pressure. If not, the cap is probably failed, as suggested Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey everybody. Sorry for not getting back for a while on this topic, however mystery now solved and all is well. First of all I wish to thank everyone with their marvellous suggestions. The problem in question is actually related to my first little problem regarding the rear demister cutting out when the engine reaches a certain temp.

Monday saw me bring my beloved to my mechanic to do a test for a blown head gasket - all clear, there is a poblem with the cooling system, most likely the radiator. YES! no big bills or the car being out of action for ages. The mechanic took out the radiator to find it had been congealed with 23 years of muck, including that goop that they use as a sealant. The final piece of the puzzle was a faulty thermostat. The mechanics said that when I had the engine removed the radiator should have been checked and flushed.

Anyway, a week on and she is starting better on a hot day, the temp gauge now reads well below the 90C mark and the rear demister is now working as on a cooler day, the temp is down therefore the fans don't have to kick in. So there you go, two problems for the price of one.

I now urge one and all to get your radiators checked regularly to avoid those nasty things like....heartattacks?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My radiator is lying on the floor. Thx for the tip... now I know to flush my rad before I put it in the car.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ideally with alloy engines in particular, you should routinely remove the radiator, unsolder the tanks and poke long metal rods through the core tubes to clean out all the muck. This is especially important with the 3.9 / 4.0 / 4.6 engines which can suffer the dreaded cracked block syndrone if they are allowed to seriously overheat (see Des Hammill's book on this).

With my 4.6 SD1 and 3.9 Disco I pull the radiator apart every two to three years and clean it out. Flushing with a hose is not enough to remove all the alloy sediment that collects and can block the core.

Another cheap but effective mod I have now done which helps keep the coolant clean and helps get rid of airlocks is to fit a Tefba filter into the top hose, see

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:42 pm    Post subject: Tebfa Reply with quote

That Tebfa is a good idea, especially in the hard water area I live in....

Of course, we have oil filters, air filters, fuel filters,

why not coolant filters? Cracking idea (wish I had thought of it - patent office...££££££ (or $$$$$$) Very Happy

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