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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try these people if you get stuck Jay.
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Not used them myself but a fellow P6 owner has and recommended them.
They have an online catalogue that lists the GM180 Modulator for the Rover.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Rimmers! Reply with quote

Righto..... (deep breath)

Despite Rimmers telling me the modulator valve is not currently available, they have sent me one anyway (????? - don't ask)

Anyroad, I have in my grubby little palm part number AEU2814, how does this sound to you guys, to establish if it is correct.

It's a cylindrical piece of alloy approx 6cm long, on one side there is a slot like a capital letter T, and on the other there are five slots. One end of the cylinder there is a piece if metal which slides up and down within the main componant and on the other there is a rectangular shaped block which is solid (ie does not slide within the main componant)

Ladies and gentlemen, have I just perfectly described a "modulator valve"?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:42 am    Post subject: Re: Rimmers! Reply with quote

JayDeeVDP wrote:

Anyroad, I have in my grubby little palm part number AEU2814, how does this sound to you guys, to establish if it is correct.

It's a cylindrical piece of alloy approx 6cm long, on one side there is a slot like a capital letter T, and on the other there are five slots. One end of the cylinder there is a piece if metal which slides up and down within the main componant and on the other there is a rectangular shaped block which is solid (ie does not slide within the main componant)

Ladies and gentlemen, have I just perfectly described a "modulator valve"?

Jay


Jay, Drawing of Modulator Valve parts and part names temporarily here:

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Description for removal/refit as below

Service tool 18G 1418

Removal

Warning hot gearbox oil can scald - allow box to cool

Jack up car and support on stands

Disconnect vacuum pipe

Using service tool, unscrew the vacuum modulator from the gearbox case. the valve and sleeve can now be withdrawn using a hook ended length of wire.

Catch any transmission oil in a suitable container.

Refit

Install the mod valve sleeve in the casing, ensuring that the slots are facing the oil pan and that the rectangular lug slots into the casing recess.

Smear the valve with gearbox fluid and slide it into the sleeve small end first

Screw the modulator into the case and tighten it using the service tool

Reconnect the vacuum pipe.

By the way I've never done this job and I got the above information from the Rover workshop manual.

You do have one dont you?

PS the service tool is a large VERY THIN spanner

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thanks Ramon, that is really most helpful.

I've been searching high and low online for an illustration such as you have shown me.

I have been promised a set of factory workshop manuals from a colleague who believe it or not was an Austin/Rover Mechanic in the 80s, but it's the usual "I have them packed away somewhere, I'll dig them out for you...." Not only SD1s, all the current cars at that time.

When I see him next, I'll ask him about this job, you never know he may do it for me for a fiver

Thanks again Ramon, and to all who've helped on this link, I'll let you all know how I get on.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Update Reply with quote

Jacked the car up, now visualised the job, can now see how it undoes and how it works, but I haven't got the confidence to do it myself (that vacuum pipe looks very fragile....)

Hence a local garage (who can get the car RIGHT up in the air) is going to do it for me, but alas not until 9th May Sad

All this lovely weather and I'm still SD1-less

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Update Reply with quote

JayDeeVDP wrote:
Jacked the car up, now visualised the job, can now see how it undoes and how it works, but I haven't got the confidence to do it myself (that vacuum pipe looks very fragile....)

Jay


Jay, I dont recall the pipes on my two Auto VDP's being fragile as such, its similar to brake pipe and is just secured to the side of the transmission by a small clip or two IIRC. Release the fixing and ease it out of the way.

It should outlast the car and its only carrying a vacuum.

The two rubber elbows at each end however, have a tendency to split but can easily be repaired by removal, degreasing, and running a touch of cyano (superglue) into the split.

I had occasion to repair a couple and it worked fine.

The unkown for me is how the Modulator comes apart. Never done it!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:25 pm    Post subject: sorry Reply with quote

I'm sorry Ramon, I'm such a wimp!!! lol Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Unless... Reply with quote

Unless of course if someone in the Portsmouth area can do it for me BEFORE May 9th Wink Wink x

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: I love my SD1 Reply with quote

I've just been reminded why I love my SD1.

I've just washed leathered and polished my car and apart from the scabby wheels she was shining like a new pin, and despite the current modulator problem, I just could not resist taking her for a brief spin into the village.

I passed a pub and during this fine weather there were a few people sat outside, and as I drove past I heard someone say: "Cor, you don't see many of those these days...."

Glowing with pride, I drove back home....

Ironically, (and the actual point of this entry) I had no white smoke coming out. Admittedly the car never got to reach full operating temperature, but is it possible a modulator valve fault can be intermitent? indeed I remember the white smoke also only used to start after a fair run before I took it off the road.

She's in Weds 9th anyway to get it done, then straight down to the bodyshop to hopefully get my refurbed wheels, new tyres then away I go.....

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: I love my SD1 Reply with quote

JayDeeVDP wrote:
Ironically, (and the actual point of this entry) I had no white smoke coming out. Admittedly the car never got to reach full operating temperature, but is it possible a modulator valve fault can be intermitent? indeed I remember the white smoke also only used to start after a fair run before I took it off the road.
Jay


Jay, we know for sure that you had red fluid (ATF) coming up the vacuum pipe so it is a solid bet the valve is faulty, but how bad??

Think about it this way!

The bigger the vacuum the stronger the suck.

The biggest vacuum comes with the hardest driving: Hard acceleration and particularly rapid deceleration.

So if you had a nice gentle run past the pub and back then it may not have gotten very much vacuum acting on the modulator which would indicate its not totally banjaxed, just a little bit banjaxed.

I think your big mistake was not to stop on the way back and let the admirers crawl all over it. Could have been worth a drinkypoos!

By the way chaps, have you seen the brand new Efi Component Archive on my website?? 3 down, 14 or more to go!

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Thanks again. Reply with quote

Thanks again Ramon, that's a great bit of reasoning...

Everything you say seems to make good sense.

You are the OBI-WAN KENOBI of the SD1 world Laughing

Have you a white beard, a monk's robe and a glowing sabre? Wink

Jay - your apprentice Razz

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:59 am    Post subject: All done Reply with quote

Garage fitted new modulator, the old one had some scratches and pitting (I STILL for the life of me cannot visualise how this component works ~shrugs~ but clearly it has a job to do, and mine had failed!!)

Roadtesting the car, she drives like a dream, even the engine seems smoother and quieter then ever, the autobox changes smoother, altogether a job well done.

Thanks to all who advised on this topic....

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:08 am    Post subject: Shucks!!! Reply with quote

The white smoke has returned!! The car's going back in to garage on Saturday morning for further investigation.... Sad

BUT....

Whilst he's under there, he will be fitting new stainless steel downpipes and y-piece for me Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: Shucks!!! Reply with quote

JayDeeVDP wrote:
The white smoke has returned!! The car's going back in to garage on Saturday morning for further investigation.... Sad
Jay


Wierd? How many miles did you drive without smoke after changing the modulator valve?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About 500 miles, Ray

I did notice however that my transmission fluid is slightly, but not dangerously low, (just above "MIN") whether this amount has gradually been burnt off I don't know, I'll top it up to see if it makes any difference, thinking perhaps this modulator valve also relies on transmission oil pressure too?

I've also noticed very very occassionally, the transmission "slips" usually after accelerating out of a bend....

I'll still get him to strip and examine, to see if the new modulator has scored like the old one.

I'll keep you posted

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