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Punx0r SD1 Regular
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Rear Suspension Hilarity |
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Yesterday, the car failed its MOT (rightly so) on the rear tie bar bushes which had started to disintergrate along with the metal washers. I had no idea as the car drove fine and didn't many any noises!
Anyway, bits on order from Rimmers, and whilst the car was jacked up I decided it was a good time to change the rear springs and dampers. Both of which I'd found new on Ebay.
Some may recall my confusion about what springs to fit, as the rear of my vitesse has normal springs and dampers fitted - no nivomats. It must have been conerted at some point, but I couldn't determine what springs were fitted. Rimmer's indicates that the only non-nivomat springs used were standard ride height. All vitesses being 30mm lower than standard and on nivomats.
However, on removing the rear spring this is what I found:
The spring from the car is on the left and the new standard height spring is on the right. Same wire thickness, same number of coils but the spring from my car is definitely around ~30mm shorter.
I'm now completely stumped as to what this springs are. I'd like some more to replace them and keep the ride height vitesse spec!
Ok, time to replace the dampers, anyone see a problem?
Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe the rear shock fitment for all SD1's was the same? If so, these are clearly not SD1 dampers!
One other thing I noticed is that the rubber spring/cup insert doesn't fit - it's too large in diameter and needs to be folded to fit:
Is this normal?
I did wonder if it was a consequence of the springs having been changed. I tried it in a nivomat spring and although the I.D. of the spring was a little larger, the rubber still would not fit. |
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Lehto SD1 Regular

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 541 Location: Finland
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Your springs might of "sagged" over time? However I have non-nivomat springs for vitesse rideheight also so there MUST BE non-nivomat vitesse springs available (or has been).
The dampers attachments look exactly like my KONI attachment points look like. Your only missing the washers, rubbers and nuts to hold the shocks.
My bump-stop cups didnt have any rubbers for the spring parts. _________________ Owner of 3 Rovers and 1 MG.
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Punx0r SD1 Regular
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Lehto, that is interesting about your koni fittings. I have a new set of rubber bushes for the rear shocks, but the hole through the middle is obviously too big for the the new shocks.
I suppose they could be made to fit using new nuts with washers and then some kind of sleeve in the bush to reduce the diameter. However I can't see why anyone would make a standard replacement shock that needed adapting to fit... It makes me wonder if these shocks are for a completely different car. Or perhaps a Mk1 SD1 if the fitment was different for some reason.
I guess I will have to continue looking for some vitesse height springs, although I'm not hopeful as your previous post is the first mention I've ever heard of them...
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chris_derby SD1 Regular

Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 292 Location: Centre of the universe
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Aren't Vitesse height springs 30mm lower than standard? If so aren't they available from Rimmers?
I've got some new(almost!) springs & dampers for the rear, with decent rubbers too, will let you know how I get on with fitting them.... _________________ Auto Vitesse, gonna be a beast! |
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KwS SD1 User

Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 64 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
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Lehto SD1 Regular

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Punx0r wrote: | Lehto, that is interesting about your koni fittings. I have a new set of rubber bushes for the rear shocks, but the hole through the middle is obviously too big for the the new shocks.
I suppose they could be made to fit using new nuts with washers and then some kind of sleeve in the bush to reduce the diameter. However I can't see why anyone would make a standard replacement shock that needed adapting to fit... It makes me wonder if these shocks are for a completely different car. Or perhaps a Mk1 SD1 if the fitment was different for some reason.
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I remember now yes. My konis have aluminum "bushings" on the shaft to make the shaft proper size to the hole. _________________ Owner of 3 Rovers and 1 MG.
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KwS SD1 User

Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 64 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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btw, what on earth do you guys do to your cars over there? cover the underside of them with metal eating children? that shock and spring are in shocking condition! Rust city.
Mine are still all nice and (dirty) black/blue, and look original as. |
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v8driver SD1 Regular

Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 208 Location: South Wales
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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We have a strange problem here where water falls from the sky (a dull grey looking mist above us),I'm sure you would find it most disconserting. The major downside to this is it causes rust on all metal surfaces  .
Never mind though,its a good thing I got two garages these days  _________________ Half Poly bushed 3.5 Twin plenum VITESSE(currently undergoing 'Hotwire' conversion)
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ejefi SD1 User
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KwS SD1 User

Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 64 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| ejefi wrote: | Not only the wet stuff, but whenever the temperature drops near freezing, local authorities spread SALT over the roads to lower the freezing point of water. Resulting in a nice saltwater solution being sprayed all over the bodywork and underside of our cars.  |
that sounds like a pretty bad idea.... and sort of explains it all. |
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v8driver SD1 Regular

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chris_derby SD1 Regular

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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Mmmmm, the Seventies...... _________________ Auto Vitesse, gonna be a beast! |
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kiwi_sd1 SD1 User
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KwS SD1 User

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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| kiwi_sd1 wrote: | I dropped my son off at youth group the other night and they were having a 70's theme. I heard them playing "Play that Funky Music", and they were also playing some video clips of the brady bunch and the partridge family  |
hahaha, thats hardcase man. im too young to know what the 70s were oh, and the 80s too for that matter... |
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chris_derby SD1 Regular

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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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So did you get the spring issue sorted by the way? I had a go at changing the springs on my Vitesse yesterday, only to find that the new springs are standard ride height & way too long for the Vitesse!
So if anybody has and wants to swap some nice Vitesse rear springs(non nivomat) for a pair of almost brand new standard height rear springs, let me know! _________________ Auto Vitesse, gonna be a beast! |
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